RICHARD SECORD: SKILLED SECRET SOLDIER

By Bob Drogin

Los Angeles Times

 

 By Bob Drogin

Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON - When Historians  write the final analysis of the  Iran‑contra  affair, perhaps they should start with  Richard V. Secord's 1972  master's thesis.

His topic: "Unconventional Warfare/Covert Operations as an Instrument of U.S.Foreign Policy." His thesis director: the CIA adviser to the head of the U.S.  Naval War College.

 The CIA should be given "the authority" to run all such operations,  Secord wrote at the start of the 55‑page document. The Pentagon should be "removed from the chain of command," and "parochial outcries" from competing government groups should be ignored.

 "Bureaucratic obstacles should be dismissed out of hand," he wrote. So should opposition from "the press, Congress, academia and others." A high‑level group, "probably the National Security Council," should "develop and implement the required programs."

No Shock to Friends

That Secord  wrote a virtual outline 15 years ago for the NSC and CIA role  in the Iran arms affair ‑‑ and that he is a pivotal player in the still‑unfolding historical drama ‑‑ comes as no shock to his friends. To them,  Secord  remains the very model of a modern major general.

West Point graduate. A hero of the Congo. A veteran of 285 combat flights in Indochina. A manager of the secret CIA air war in Laos. A skilled secret soldier and covert operations artist. Winner of a presidential medal. A proud patriot and warrior who practiced what he preached.

There is the public Secord.  He was the rising Pentagon star, the young two‑star general appointed as the first non‑civilian to serve as a deputy assistant secretary of defense in one of the most sensitive posts in the Pentagon. He testified before Congress, hobnobbed with Mideast potentates and  oversaw $30 billion in Air Force sales to about 60 countries.

'Probably Chief of Staff'

"I thought he was going to be one of our top generals and probably chief of  staff of the Air Force," said retired Brig. Gen. Harry C. Aderholt, a longtime  friend.

There is the professional  Secord.  He was the can‑do pilot who once followed CIA orders to dump a planeload of dishwasher detergent along the Ho Chi Minh   Trail so trucks and troops would slip and slide off in the rainy season ‑‑ and  did it in broad daylight so the CIA could take pictures.

"He was like a character from 'Mission Impossible,' " said David Henry, a  former Air Commando who flew with him.

There is the private  Secord.  He was the no‑nonsense, tight‑lipped student  who learned strict West Point discipline from now‑presidential candidate  Alexander M. Haig Jr. He was the pudgy pilot they called "the fat man," the cool‑as‑ice officer who stopped a domestic argument by pulling a gun away from  an angry airman. Even his friends say they barely know him.

"We're talking cold blue steel," said Noel C. Koch, a former deputy secretary of defense who met with him recently.

There is the suspect  Secord.  Never indicted, he bitterly quit the Pentagon  in 1983 complaining that he had "been tarred" by a two‑year federal  investigation into his ties to renegade CIA agent Edwin P. Wilson and two men  whose company bilked the Pentagon out of $8 million.

"He was one of the focuses of the investigation," said Theodore S. Greenberg,an assistant U.S. attorney in Alexandria, Va.

And there is the businessman  Secord.  He was the privateer and international arms dealer, the  specialist  in secret shipping, shell companies and Swiss bank accounts. He was a supply master to the Nicaraguan resistance forces, once even  selling them $2.5 million in AK‑47 ammunition from a surprising source.

                                                                                Purchase From China

"Secord  engineered the purchase from China," said contra leader Adolfo Calero. "I don't know  how."                            Both his friends and enemies say, Dick  Secord  was uniquely prepared in temperament and training when National Security Council aide Oliver L. North wrote him on Nov. 19, 1985 to ask for help.                                     

According to North, a secret plan to trade 120 Israeli HAWK anti‑aircraft missiles to Iran for five American hostages was collapsing. Portugal was  refusing transshipment rights. The CIA had fouled up. White House officials were frantic


 

"Your  discrete (sic) assistance is again required in support of our national interest," North wrote his longtime friend, according to the Tower Commission  report. " . . . As in the past, you should exercise great caution that this  activity does not become public knowledge. You should ensure that only those whose discretion is guaranteed are involved."

Flew 18 HAWKS to Iran

Secord quickly chartered a jet to fly 18 HAWKs to Iran under cover of a "humanitarian mission."                                     "One hell of an operation," North crowed. Except that the Iranians later claimed they had been cheated, that the HAWKs were too few, too old and too  expensive ‑‑ and none of the hostages were released.                           

Over the next year,  Secord  became North's top lieutenant. Investigators say he was the "black‑ops" jack‑of‑all‑trades whose operations included coordinating arms shipments to Iran, controlling Swiss bank accounts for the transactions,  and allegedly using the profits to supply weapons to the contras at a time when U.S. military aid was illegal

"A man of many talents, ol'  Secord  is," North wrote in appreciation. "He deserves a medal."

Another View of Talents

 Last week, a U.S. Senate committee saw  Secord's  talents another way.      

 On Wednesday, the select committee investigating the Iran‑contra affair asked a federal court to force Secord  to release his foreign bank records or face jail for contempt.                     

The Justice Department has separately asked Swiss authorities for  Secord's  bank records, citing fraud and abuse of power.

The Tower board reported that at least $32 million from the Iran arms deals, and up to $40 million in alleged contributions for the contras, were funneled through  Secord's  accounts. What happened to most of the money remains a  mystery.

"If I could chose just one person to come in here and tell us everything, I would choose  Secord, " Sen. David L. Boren (D‑Okla.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters.    

                                                                                Invoked Fifth Amendment

So far, however,  Secord  has invoked his Fifth Amendment rights to remain silent before two congressional committees and said little in public.

"Any portrait that would be painted of him as a profiteer would be absolutely erroneous," his lawyer, Thomas Green, told Senate investigators.  Secord  and his business partner, Albert A. Hakim, felt they were "doing the Lord's work,"  he said.

But others said  Secord  has only lived up to his own shadowy reputation.   

"I'm not surprised," said E. Lawrence Barcella, a former federal prosecutor  who investigated  Secord's  role in the CIA scandal. "I don't find it a surprise at all."

One of three children, Richard Vernon  Secord  was born July 6, 1932, in La  Rue, Ohio, a central Ohio farming town on the Scioto River. His father, Lowell,  was a truck driver. His mother, Wahneta, said in a brief telephone interview  that she is "definitely proud" of her son. "He's done nothing illegal. I'm very  honored to be his mother."                        Secord  attended South High School in Columbus, where records show he drew A 's and B's and had a perfect attendance record. His good grades helped him win a congressional appointment to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 1951, moving into a cramped barracks over Grant Hall.                                

Short and Stocky

In those days, the Point separated its students by height. Short and stocky,  Secord  was assigned to 1st Regiment's Company M‑1 ‑‑ for those under 5‑foot‑8.

"We were called the runts," recalled freshman roommate Frank J. Robertson, now a retired Army colonel.                       Secord's  first year at the Point was his worst.                           

When Richard first came to West Point, he was not very happy," Robertson said. "He didn't study. He was failing in his subjects. We even got into a  wrestling match about it. I was highly incensed. I felt he had taken an  appointment and was squandering it away. He became very upset.

"Then one night he came home from supper . . . and he said: 'I want to tell  you something. I've decided to stay,' " Robertson continued. "And it was  amazing. His academics zoomed to the top. By the second year, he was wearing  stars, which means he was in the top 10%."

A Tough Tactical Officer

Part of the change, friends say, was due to the company's tough tactical officer, then‑Capt. Haig, who went on to become a secretary of state and candidate for the 1988 Republican presidential nomination. Haig was in charge of  M‑1's daily military training. He drove his boys hard but was fair, classmates  say, occasionally issuing demerits to  Secord  for minor infractions.


 

Fellow cadets say  Secord  spoke little of his family. He was prim and private, "a very serious kind of guy" who kept to himself, classmate Donald C.  Poorman said. He rarely joined student high jinks, and kept his distance from a group known as the "bad guys" who drank shaving lotion and once tossed a locker down stairs. He double‑dated with Robertson in New York, joining stiffly in  evenings on the town.                                                          

"He always sat very tall," Robertson recalled. "He was obviously enjoying  himself, but it was difficult to know it unless you knew him."                 

But  Secord  was loyal to his friends. In his sophomore year,  Secord  testified before a regimental review board on behalf of a friend accused of   barring a Jewish handball team from playing on campus.                         

 "Dropped All Charges'

"Dick volunteered to help out," the friend recalled. "It wasn't something he had to do. And they dropped all charges."

Alhough friends invariably describe him as "brilliant,"  Secord  was not an exceptional student. When he graduated in 1955, he ranked 193rd in a class of 470.

"He worked hard and he got through," recalled Thomas P. McGrevey,  Secord's roommate for two years. "That's what's important."

Secord's yearbook picture shows an intense, unsmiling man with jug ears and a thick brown, brush‑cut hair style that hasn't changed in 32 years. Something  else hasn't changed. "His cold, calculating weekend mannerisms will be with us  always," says the inscription.

But  Secord  had guts. At Air Force flight school after graduation, one classmate recalled,  Secord  outmaneuvered everyone in a mock dogfight. Later,  the students discovered  Secord  had drained his fuel tanks to lower the plane's weight and make it easier to control.

Future Wife

After three years as a single‑engine jet instructor in Texas,  Secord  was assigned in 1959 to Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma. There he met Jo Ann  Gibson, his future wife. But with newly inaugurated President John F. Kennedy  issuing stirring calls to "bear any burden" in defense of liberty,  Secord longed for action.

 In August, 1961, he volunteered for a special tactical group being formed at Hurlburt Field, part of the giant Eglin Air Force Base complex in Florida's  steamy panhandle. He became an elite Air Commando, serving tours both in South Vietnam and Iran over the next four years.

Most Americans had never heard of Vietnam then.  Secord  got to know it well, flying more than 200 missions across the country in AT‑28 "Jungle Jim" fighter  planes in less than a year. Officially, he was an "adviser," helping the  Vietnamese pilots. In reality,  Secord  was a top gun.                                                                                                          

'Dick Got a Lucky Hit'

He and Tom Temple were in the lead for who had the most kills," recalled Aderholt, the retired general. "Sampans, boats, hootches, gooks, or whatever.  Sometimes just palm trees. But Dick got a lucky hit. He apparently hit an  ammunition depot. The whole area blew up."

Pentagon records show he won at least four combat air medals in 1962. One citation says he faced "constant danger" and was exposed to "frequent ground fire from Viet Cong Communist guerrillas." Explained a fellow pilot: "His plane took a lot of holes."

 In November, 1964,  Secord  apparently drew a special assignment in Africa.  Simba rebels had captured hundreds of white hostages in Stanleyville, a remote  river town in the Belgian Congo.  Secord  was assigned to help fly in Belgian  paratroopers for the rescue, according to a study published in 1980 by the National Defense University. He made an emergency landing, however, after a wing panel opened in mid‑flight and an inflated life raft wrapped around the C‑130's tail controls, the study reported.

Unconventional Warfare

                In 1965,  Secord  attended the Air Force's Air Command and Staff College in  Montgomery, Ala. His specialty was unconventional warfare, and he helped the faculty develop a course on "small wars, low‑intensity conflicts," recalls one  classmate. "Dick did an outstanding job on that," he said.                     

But  Secord  was bored. In August, 1966, he went back to Saigon, and then to a classified CIA unit at Udorn Royal Thai Air Force Base in northeast Thailand.

The CIA had secretly trained and supplied an army of nearly 40,000 hill‑tribe guerrillas in neighboring Laos. Scattered on craggy peaks and steep ridges, the  Meo troops guarded radar installations and beacons vital to U.S. bombers, rescued downed American pilots and battled Pathet Lao troops in the field.     

For two years,  Secord  coordinated clandestine flights by Air America and  other CIA airlines to dozens of remote airfields in Laos. "He was responsible for the air sector," said a former CIA officer who worked closely with him. Secord  didn't remain on the ground, either. He flew dozens of missions in  spotter planes and bombers. He still tells friends of one of the wilder flights.


 

When  they decided to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail, the hobby shop at the Agency decided to drop Calgonite on the trail in the rainy season, hoping to make the trail so slippery that no one could pass on it," recalled his friend  Koch, the former deputy secretary of defense. "Dick was in charge. It was  asinine. He had to drop it in daylight hours so people could take pictures. And he did it."

Years later,  Secord's  Indochina experience would come back to haunt him. A public‑interest law firm called the Christic Institute filed a $22‑million federal suit in Miami last May that alleges  Secord  and 27 others participated in an elaborate worldwide scheme of assassinations, terrorism, embezzlement  and drug smuggling.

In December, the institute's lawyer, Daniel Sheehan, filed an affidavit saying  Secord  "secretly smuggled . . . large suitcases" of money from opium  sales in Laos to an Australian bank. Congressional investigators now are  studying a 1983 Australian government report that reportedly links  Secord  to  the bank, Nugan Hand Bank of Sydney. The concern collapsed in 1980 amid charges that it had laundered money from sales of weapons and illicit drugs.           

Denied All Charges

Secord  has denied all charges in the Miami suit. "I can't imagine where the hell they got this kind of junk," said a co‑defendant, who has discussed the  case with  Secord.

                In September, 1968,  Secord  went back to Hurlburt. He was quickly made  commander of the 603rd Special Operations Squadron. His cold, gruff mannerisms were still a problem.                                                          

                "He wasn't what you call Mr. Personality," recalled Lee Griffin,  Secord's operations officer. One pilot even complained to Aderholt, the Air Commandos'  leader.

 "I said I am not going to screw up a hell of a good squadron by putting this guy in," David Henry recalled. "He doesn't have the personality to handle a  bunch of young airmen. Well, Dick proved me wrong. He had changed a lot."             Secord  drew raves when he bellied‑in a disabled trainer jet on the beach,  barely scratching the paint. Friends were touched when he let the widow of a fellow pilot live at his house.  Secord  wasn't the stern, salutin' disciplinarian the pilots had feared. They called him "the fat man" or "the round guy."

'A Very Dedicated Soldier'

Secord  used his Vietnam experience to change the training regimen. He introduced new midair refueling techniques. He coordinated special air shows for visiting Pentagon brass, running spectacular midnight shows of rockets and tracers, bombs and napalm.

Secord was a very dedicated soldier," said retired Maj. Gen. L. W. Svendsen   Jr., who flew with  Secord  then and has remained a friend. "He pressed on until the mission was accomplished. Dick got the job done."                           

On weekends,,  Secord  and a small group of friends would fish for king mackerel and amberjack. He golfed, hunted a bit and played a fair game of tennis. He and Jo Ann had a daughter, Julie, and twins Laura and John. Friends  kept their barbecue busy.

By the time Secord  left Florida in 1971, his squadron gave him the highest compliment they knew. "People said, 'The old man's never wrong,"' Henry recalled.

Jumped to School

                Lt. Col.  Secord  returned to school, this time attending a special George Washington University one‑year graduate degree program at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He was one of only 16 Air Force officers in a class of  203. He clearly drew on his own experience.

His master's thesis cited examples from the Congo, Guatemala, the Bay of  Pigs, Vietnam and Laos. Unconventional warfare/covert operations are "a most  valuable tool among the array of foreign policy instrumentalities available to  the U.S.," he wrote.

After that,  Secord's  career began to take off.

"They keep referring to me as a shadowy figure,"  Secord  complained to the  Chicago Tribune in a rare interview last January. "I've held some of the  highest‑profile jobs in the government."                                        

Promoted to full colonel in 1972, he moved to the Pentagon and was desk officer for Southeast Asia as the last U.S. ground troops withdrew and the long war drew to a close. A year later, he was aide to the director of the Defense Security Assistance Agency, which manages foreign military sales and assistance.

Chief Salesman to Shah

In September, 1975,  Secord  was sent to Iran again. This time, he headed the Air Force Military Assistance Advisory Group. That meant he was chief Air Force salesman to the Shah of Iran. And the shah was spending billions of dollars to  build an air force of about 500 combat aircraft ‑‑ bigger than that of Israel,  Germany or France.

The shah's air force was designed on the U.S. model. Most of the officers were trained in the United States. They spoke English in flight. Even the squadron buildings were American‑designed. And thousands of American  contractors roamed the country.


 

Under  President Carter,  Secord  helped negotiate the sale and deployment of  the most sensitive and sophisticated U.S. weapons to the shah ‑‑ including  airborne warning and control system (AWACS) planes, F‑4 Phantoms, F‑5 Tiger  fighter bombers, and top‑of‑the‑line swing‑wing F‑14 Tomcats equipped with  long‑range Phoenix air‑to‑air missiles. His work won the highest peacetime Air  Force medal.                                                                          "Dick worked very hard there," said one colleague. "He did a lot of flying with them, he spent a lot of time at the shah's palace. Like everywhere, he  bloomed where he was planted."

Secord le ft in July, 1978, six months before the shah fled and the  Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took power. But two years later, he almost went back. When the first U.S. rescue mission of 52 American hostages ended in a  fiery disaster on the Iranian desert in April, 1980,  Secord  was asked to help in a little‑known second rescue attempt.                           "H was  my deputy," said retired Army Maj. Gen. James Vaught, a Delta Force commando leader who was planning the mission. Aderholt said Secord  spent six  months "whipping that outfit into shape" in Colorado. The operation was  scrubbed, he said, after an accident caused "a few fatalities."          

Headed Military Sales

But Secord had plenty of work in Washington. For three years, he supervised foreign military sales for the Air Force, responsible for $30 billion in   programs in about 60 countries. "It was a very large volume business," he once  said.

            "He had the whole world," a former Pentagon division chief explained. "Anything our Air Force sold around the world, he had responsibility for."

Secord  also was politically savvy. In April, 1981, he was appointed as the first non‑civilian to serve as deputy assistant secretary of defense for the Near East, Africa and South Asia. It meant setting defense policy toward India, Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, Egypt, Lebanon ‑‑ about 40 countries in all.

Apparently working with NSC aide North for the first time, Secord  became a highly visible commander in the new Reagan Administration's bitter battle with  Congress to sell advanced AWACS electronic surveillance planes and F‑15 jets to Saudi Arabia.  Secord  later testified that he was awarded a Distinguished Service Medal, "at the request of the President," after the Senate narrowly  approved the sale.

But then came disaster. His name was Edwin P. Wilson.

Wilson was once in charge of the CIA's secret shipping companies, had amassed tens of millions of dollars on a salary of $32,000 a year. Federal prosecutors  charged that he had arranged assassination attempts for Libya's Col. Moammar Kadafi, had supplied Kadafi with thousands of pounds of powerful C‑4 plastic  explosives, and had trained Libyan troops with veterans of the Green Berets. He is now serving a 52‑year federal prison sentence.                                      Wilson, however, claimed that he had been providing valuable intelligence to Secord.  On Feb. 3, 1985, during the C‑4 smuggling trial, Wilson's lawyers called  Secord  to testify.

Secord  said he had first met Wilson in 1971. They had met twice in Tehran  in 1976‑77, and twice again in Brussels in 1979‑80, he said. At one meeting, he acknowledged, Wilson offered to provide a Soviet MIG‑25. "I was interested,"  Secord  said, according to a transcript.    

No Wrongdoing Charged

Pr osecutors, in turn, were interested in  Secord.  They said he had visited  Wilson's lavish Mt. Airy Farms estate in the Virginia hunt country several times, had frequently borrowed Wilson's private plane, and had sold him a house in Fairfax County, Va., when  Secord  was in a financial crunch.               

Secord  was not charged with any wrongdoing. But his name stayed in the  news.

A defunct Virginia‑based company called Egyptian American Transport &  Services Corp., or Eatsco, pleaded guilty to overcharging the Pentagon by $8 million for transporting U.S. arms to Egypt. One of the partners was Thomas G.  Clines, a former ranking CIA agent who had introduced  Secord  to Wilson.

Prosecutors said  Secord  had overseen some of the Egyptian arms sales. And Wilson and his secretary claimed that  Secord  was a silent partner in Eatsco.  Secord  angrily denied any improper ties. The case was "laughable," he told the Chicago Tribune.

"Talking About Peanuts'

"I had handled huge contracts that were classified," he said. "There was no way you could account for all of the money. What they were talking about was peanuts. I guess I was sort of insulted that they would accuse me of stealing so little."

There was another problem. Douglas Schlacter, a former Wilson aide, told CBS News in November, 1981, that  Secord  had shared profits from Wilson's illegal  arms sales. The charge was "bone chilling,"  Secord  said later.   

The FBI launched an investigation and  Secord was suspended for three months in early 1982. A third star was sidetracked. His career, he said, was ruined.


 

In April, 1983,  Secord  won partial vindication. He had sued Schlacter for libel and slander and a federal court judge in Washington awarded  Secord  $2 million in a default judgment. But it was a hollow victory. Schlacter had disappeared into the federal witness protection program. He neither contested the suit nor paid the money.                         "Shadow.... Over Me'

"I have been tarred . . . . "  Secord  testified at the single court hearing. "No matter what I have done, I can't get rid of this shadow that's been hanging  over me."

Secord  retired in May, 1983, and now draws an Air Force pension of $3,800 a month. Until last August, he stayed on an Air Force advisory panel on unconventional warfare policy. Although authorized to draw $242 a day, he never did, Air Force records show.

Secord  had other business to attend to. He and his wife formed  Secord Associates and bought three houses for investment near their 11‑room home in  McLean, Va., a Washington suburb.

More important, he hooked up with Albert Hakim again. They had met in Tehran in the mid‑1970s while  Secord  was running the military advisory group. In a  1983 deposition in Connecticut, Hakim admitted that he had used Swiss bank  accounts to funnel millions of dollars in payoffs to Iranian military officials  at the time.

High Tech Security

Hakim ran several companies, including Stanford Technology Corp., a Silicon Valley firm that developed high‑tech security systems.  Secord  took over an  affiliate called Stanford Technology Trading Group in Vienna, Va. Together they tried to sell security systems to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and South Korea's nuclear power agency, according to a company lawyer.

But business was tough. In mid‑1984, they represented Marwais Steel Co. of  Larkspur, Calif., seeking a $100‑million aircraft shelter contract from the United Arab Emirates. Despite months of hard work by  Secord  and Hakim, an  Italian company won the bid.

"Dick was not happy," said one friend. "He'd worked that contract hard for a year and a half."

Secord's  relations with Middle Eastern leaders remains something of  a mystery. Published reports have said the Saudi royal family helped  Secord  in  the Marwais negotiations, and even offered to put his children through college  when he retired. But one friend says  Secord  laughs at the reports.                                                                                            "He says if it's true, how  come he didn't did get any projects there," the friend said.

                                                                                 Soon Had Other Projects

And  Secord  soon had other projects. Congress cut off military aid to the contras in October, 1984. Investigators say  Secord  stepped in as a secret  supplier ‑‑ and reported regularly to North.                                   

Working with ex‑CIA and military associates, and relying on former Air America pilots, records show,  Secord  used a web of shell companies and Swiss  accounts to help provide planes, medicine and hundreds of tons of arms and  ammunition.

"We supposedly worked for the man in Nicaragua," said Frank Hines, a pilot  who dropped supplies to the rebel forces on five missions from the Ilopango air base in El Salvador last September. He was paid $3,000 a month, but the five  aging planes required constant maintenance and repair. "This was not high‑tech," he said.

Less Than Sterling

Secord's  reputation for his work with the contras is less than sterling. "Nobody had any respect for him," said another pilot. Contra leaders say he charged too much. And his mannerisms apparently hadn't changed.                

"He  could look at you so cold, it was frightening," one contra leader said.

"He was what we would call the contra connection for profiteering," said  Thomas V. Posey, who heads an Alabama‑based contra supply group called Civilian  Material Assistance. "He tried to play 007."

Ultimately,  Secord's  ties to the contras were his undoing. When Sandinista soldiers shot down a C‑123K loaded with arms over southern Nicaragua last Oct.  5, killing three crewmen and capturing one, telephone records indicated that thepilots had called  Secord's  home and office from their "safe house."

Since then, a barrage of revelations has shown that  Secord  ‑‑ using the code name "Copp" ‑‑ helped North plan, organize and direct one of the strangest episodes of modern U.S. history.

Kept a Low Profile

In recent months too,  Secord  has kept a low profile. Process servers in a civil suit recently gave up after two months of visiting his home and office, a neighbor said. He could not be reached for this story and his attorney did not  return phone calls. Friends say the ordeal is taking a toll.

"His morale is not the highest," said his old friend Svendsen, who spoke to  him recently. "I think he's depressed because he thought he was doing something for his country. The White House asked him to do something, and he did it."

"He says he's innocent of any wrongdoing," agreed former Pentagon official Koch. "He's confident of vindication. He's sure the system will work to clear his name.

"I'm  not sure he's not being a little naive. I'm not sure we're not of two minds on that."